I made this comment on one of the threads on atheismsucks.blogspot.com:
Pvblivs said...
Oh, it's quite true that we can't prove that we aren't a brain in a vat, or characters in a story, or shadows on a cave wall. The scientific method simply builds a model of the world in an effort to be able to make useful predictions. In that effort, it has been quite successful. So far, no testable predictions have been made by postulating a god.
"I just don't see how it makes any sense to think that an unintelligent process can bring forth intelligence."
I don't see how the god of the bible can possibly exist. Does that rule him out as a possibility? Not understanding something does not mean that it is not possible.
Here is the respone I got from the blog owner:
Frank Walton said...
Pvblivs,
Then show us through the scientific method that we are not just our brains in a chemical vat while having our brains wielded by a scientist who is giving us the reality we see today. You didn't even bother showing us any proof in your comment except to say, "oh, we can disprove it alright." so, I'm giving you a second chance to show us. Unless you're here to troll and hack away.
Frank
11:39 AM
Please note that in my original comment, I said that we could not do what he then challenges me to do. Now, maybe he misread what I wrote. That sort of thing happens all the time. I gave an additional post to call that to his attention in case it was an honest error. I'll wait and see if he lets that show or if he deletes it.
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Well, Pvblivs, I wonder if you'd be man enough to actually post the link to our WHOLE conversation. The way you put it you'll have people scrounging around all over my site looking for it. I could have left a link here, but I didn't do it, because I'll leave the opportunity for you to do it. I figured I'd give you the chance of winning back your dignity. But we'll just have to see, huh? Anyway, I wrote this in reply:
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Ugh. Sorry, about that. I'm currently sick, and it must be the meds that's making me discombobulated. anyway...
I said: "I just don't see how it makes any sense to think that an unintelligent process can bring forth intelligence."
Then you said: I don't see how the god of the bible can possibly exist. Does that rule him out as a possibility? Not understanding something does not mean that it is not possible.
I didn't say I didn't understand it. I said I don't think how it makes any sense to think that intelligence can come from non-intelligence. If you think that unintelligence can bring forth intelligence, and that not understanding that process still makes it likely that it can happen, well, I'd tell you the same thing I told modus, then knock yourself out, buddy. Nothing takes more faith in my opinion.
Frank
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Frank walton:
Very well, the thread can be found at http://atheismsucks.blogspot.com/2007/12/scientific-method-cant-answer.html
I have seen threads on some blogs "disappear" when the owners of the blogs didn't like something, so I wasn't sure if it would stick around. (I was going to make an update when I found your comment.)
On the face of it, it would appear that an intelligence would require a higher intelligence to create it. But that leads to a regress. One then asks how that higher intelligence came to be. Somewhere along the line, some intelligence had to exist without a higher intelligence before it.
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